1 00:00:11,100 --> 00:00:12,860 - The warrior Bhima 2 00:00:12,890 --> 00:00:15,690 is tricked into a fool's errand. 3 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:21,070 - He seeks his parents in heaven. 4 00:00:21,110 --> 00:00:22,520 They are not there. 5 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,730 Instead, he finds them in hell. 6 00:00:26,970 --> 00:00:29,110 He offers his parents the elixir of life, 7 00:00:29,150 --> 00:00:31,120 yet they refuse. 8 00:00:31,150 --> 00:00:34,120 They accept the fruits of their karma. 9 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,360 This being their final test, 10 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,260 they ascend to heaven. 11 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,410 - The story of Bhima Swarga teaches us that heaven 12 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,270 and hell are allegories. 13 00:00:46,300 --> 00:00:48,100 Not truths. 14 00:00:48,130 --> 00:00:51,760 Life is cyclical, and so is death. 16 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,180 ♪ I took a walk through this 17 00:00:59,210 --> 00:01:02,730 ♪ Beautiful world 18 00:01:02,770 --> 00:01:08,190 ♪ Felt the cool rain on my shoulder 19 00:01:08,220 --> 00:01:11,430 ♪ Found something good in this 20 00:01:11,470 --> 00:01:14,400 ♪ Beautiful world 21 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:19,850 ♪ I felt the rain getting colder 22 00:01:19,890 --> 00:01:23,410 ♪ - La, la - Sha la, la, la, la 23 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,170 ♪ Sha la, la, la, la 24 00:01:26,210 --> 00:01:29,310 ♪ - Sha la, la, la - Sha la, la, la, la 25 00:01:29,350 --> 00:01:34,350 ♪ Sha la, la, la, la, la 26 00:01:55,510 --> 00:01:57,480 - The sign says "The Big Bang." 27 00:02:02,690 --> 00:02:05,560 - Okay, so when the world was... - When the universe was created, 28 00:02:05,590 --> 00:02:08,390 um, the universe is like an egg... 29 00:02:08,420 --> 00:02:09,900 - Eggs. - That broke. 30 00:02:09,940 --> 00:02:11,180 - Yes. - Okay? 31 00:02:11,220 --> 00:02:13,490 - From the shell... - Yes. 32 00:02:13,530 --> 00:02:15,670 - Is this fellow here. - He's called [indistinct]. 33 00:02:15,700 --> 00:02:17,360 - Yes. - From the yellow... 34 00:02:17,390 --> 00:02:20,500 - Yes. - The yolk... The... the teacher... 36 00:02:20,540 --> 00:02:21,850 Yes. 37 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,400 - The teacher. - And then they put 38 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,200 - the white... - And the white of the egg 39 00:02:25,230 --> 00:02:28,200 is Semar. 40 00:02:30,890 --> 00:02:32,270 - Semar? - Yes. 41 00:02:32,310 --> 00:02:34,690 - Is to accompany the good. 42 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,590 So this is to accompany the bad, the demon. 43 00:02:38,620 --> 00:02:40,590 This is to accompany the good. 44 00:02:40,620 --> 00:02:43,250 - So the philosophy is, without this, 45 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:44,590 there is no this. 46 00:02:44,630 --> 00:02:47,220 Without this, there is not this. 47 00:02:47,250 --> 00:02:49,500 - There is no right without wrong. 48 00:02:49,530 --> 00:02:51,700 There is no dark without light, 49 00:02:51,740 --> 00:02:54,260 but each interconnects. 50 00:02:54,290 --> 00:02:56,710 - Yes. - That is the main philosophy. 51 00:02:56,740 --> 00:02:59,540 You know, the existence comes 52 00:02:59,570 --> 00:03:01,710 from the same egg. 53 00:03:18,770 --> 00:03:21,730 - For a thousand years, the Wayang... 54 00:03:21,770 --> 00:03:24,430 Or shadow play... Has been entertainment 55 00:03:24,460 --> 00:03:27,260 for both mortals and the gods. 56 00:03:29,290 --> 00:03:30,570 In the shadow world, 57 00:03:30,610 --> 00:03:32,570 everything has its opposites. 58 00:03:34,750 --> 00:03:38,370 - At worth within every man are forces both divine 59 00:03:38,410 --> 00:03:39,890 and animalistic. 60 00:03:42,310 --> 00:03:44,450 - The philosophy of the shadow play 61 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,760 is to strive for balance. 62 00:03:46,790 --> 00:03:51,420 You cannot kill the dominant animal urges within. 63 00:03:51,450 --> 00:03:53,460 You must harness them, 64 00:03:53,490 --> 00:03:56,290 yet not be controlled by them. 65 00:04:03,540 --> 00:04:05,740 Shadows that manifest on-screen 66 00:04:05,780 --> 00:04:07,750 are more than mere relief. 67 00:04:07,780 --> 00:04:10,920 As they come alive, timeless tales 68 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,790 interspersed with subversive stories 69 00:04:13,820 --> 00:04:16,860 bring the world of gods, monsters, and heroes 70 00:04:16,890 --> 00:04:20,410 into sync with current social commentary. 71 00:04:31,630 --> 00:04:33,126 - Indonesia is... - Correct me if I'm wrong... 72 00:04:33,150 --> 00:04:35,460 It's the fourth largest country in the world. 73 00:04:35,500 --> 00:04:37,330 - The fourth largest, but we are 74 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,470 the third largest democracy. 75 00:04:39,500 --> 00:04:41,330 17,00 islands. 76 00:04:41,370 --> 00:04:44,400 The majority of the population... 60%... 77 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:45,850 Live on Java. 78 00:04:45,890 --> 00:04:47,860 - And how many people in Jakarta? 79 00:04:47,890 --> 00:04:50,860 - Greater Jakarta, there's around 25 million. 80 00:04:50,890 --> 00:04:52,450 - 25 million? - 25... 81 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,480 That's the greater area. 82 00:04:59,660 --> 00:05:01,350 - What should the rest of the world know 83 00:05:01,390 --> 00:05:03,460 about the fourth-largest country in the world 84 00:05:03,490 --> 00:05:04,490 that they don't know? 85 00:05:04,530 --> 00:05:07,360 Because, let's face it, 86 00:05:07,390 --> 00:05:09,150 I think if you asked most people who are... 87 00:05:09,190 --> 00:05:11,570 Who are gonna watch this show, "Tell me something 88 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,020 about Indonesia," you'll get a total blank. 89 00:05:15,050 --> 00:05:18,820 - Indonesia, we are very, very diverse 90 00:05:18,850 --> 00:05:20,720 because even before Islam came, 91 00:05:20,750 --> 00:05:23,440 the locals, they had their own traditions. 92 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,070 They have their own culture. 93 00:05:26,100 --> 00:05:27,830 - Tolerance... - The tolerance... 94 00:05:27,860 --> 00:05:30,070 The tolerance, uh, the... The attitude of tolerance... 95 00:05:30,100 --> 00:05:33,660 Religion tolerance... Uh, that drop in our country. 96 00:05:33,690 --> 00:05:36,420 - Uh, the... the level of tolerance is declining. 97 00:05:36,460 --> 00:05:39,080 - Yes, but in the food... 98 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,430 - Basically, food is a great unifier. 99 00:05:45,460 --> 00:05:46,880 - Right. - You see? 100 00:05:46,910 --> 00:05:48,670 - Especially in the... - You may speak poorly 101 00:05:48,710 --> 00:05:50,616 of another region... "Oh, they're terrible people 102 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,510 over there, but their food is good." 103 00:05:52,540 --> 00:05:54,130 - Yep. - They say that if 104 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,410 you really want to know and try every single dish 105 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,620 in Indonesia, you have to live here for 40 years. 106 00:06:00,650 --> 00:06:03,410 - 40 years. - You need to stay here 107 00:06:03,450 --> 00:06:07,560 for a long time, because every single area 109 00:06:07,590 --> 00:06:10,420 has its own specialty. 110 00:06:22,230 --> 00:06:25,230 Padang food... This is from West Sumatra. 111 00:06:25,260 --> 00:06:28,610 If we talk about fast food, this is the fastest food. 112 00:06:28,650 --> 00:06:30,130 I mean, this is way before 113 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,580 this genre of fast-foot exist in the world. 114 00:06:35,690 --> 00:06:37,450 As you sit down, they come up with 115 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,000 all the dishes, and the concept is 116 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,930 you choose what you want to eat, and you only pay... 117 00:06:41,970 --> 00:06:44,140 - Right. - For what you want to eat. 118 00:06:44,180 --> 00:06:48,110 Here is... - It's lungs. - Fried lungs. 120 00:06:48,150 --> 00:06:49,560 - Lung, lung. - Fried lungs. 121 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,010 - This is an intestine goulash, 122 00:06:52,050 --> 00:06:54,640 and this... basically the skin. 123 00:06:54,670 --> 00:06:56,600 - Deep fried fat and skin, yep. 124 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:57,950 Oh, I like that. 125 00:06:57,990 --> 00:06:59,570 - Of course this is rendang. 126 00:06:59,610 --> 00:07:01,820 We're very fond of our rendang. 127 00:07:01,850 --> 00:07:04,960 And what makes Padang food very special 128 00:07:04,990 --> 00:07:06,270 - is the spice. - Yes. 129 00:07:06,300 --> 00:07:09,200 - The spice and the chili. 130 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:12,590 - So good. 131 00:07:12,620 --> 00:07:14,800 - Yeah, you like rendang? - I do. 132 00:07:14,830 --> 00:07:17,520 I could eat that all day. 133 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,040 So, I... I wanted to ask, 134 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,770 the traditional Indonesian shadow play... 135 00:07:25,810 --> 00:07:26,980 how does one learn? 136 00:07:27,010 --> 00:07:29,500 How did you, uh, learn your art? 137 00:07:29,530 --> 00:07:32,540 - All shadow-puppet masters... 138 00:07:32,570 --> 00:07:35,020 - Yes, it's all, you know, passed on from generation 139 00:07:35,060 --> 00:07:36,990 - to generation. - So your father did this 140 00:07:37,020 --> 00:07:37,890 as well. 141 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,510 And as I understand it, traditionally... 142 00:07:40,550 --> 00:07:42,890 the puppet-master was allowed 143 00:07:42,930 --> 00:07:47,860 a certain latitude to... tease, provoke, 145 00:07:47,900 --> 00:07:51,180 or openly mock the powerful. 146 00:07:51,210 --> 00:07:53,140 How far can you go? 147 00:07:53,180 --> 00:07:55,700 - It's a bit like in the court jester... 148 00:07:55,730 --> 00:07:57,840 - Right. - Where the court jesters 149 00:07:57,870 --> 00:07:59,670 are expected... 150 00:07:59,700 --> 00:08:01,700 you know, to make people laugh, 151 00:08:01,740 --> 00:08:04,020 but at the same time it's an opportunity also 152 00:08:04,050 --> 00:08:05,640 - to criticize... - Mm-hmm. 153 00:08:05,670 --> 00:08:10,020 - Without getting... punished for it. 155 00:08:10,060 --> 00:08:12,920 But at the same time, there is a philosophical level to it... 156 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,680 - Mm-hmm. - To make the people aware 157 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,690 - of certain dangers... - Aware that... 158 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,040 - Yeah, so to make the people aware that truth... 159 00:08:25,070 --> 00:08:27,560 - Mm-hmm. - And wrong-doings is... 160 00:08:27,590 --> 00:08:29,350 It's actually not black and white. 161 00:08:29,390 --> 00:08:31,250 They interconnect. 162 00:09:17,950 --> 00:09:21,920 - Watch the shadows, not the puppets. 164 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:23,790 The right in constant struggle 165 00:09:23,820 --> 00:09:25,930 with the left. 166 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,140 - Forces of light and darkness 167 00:09:28,170 --> 00:09:30,930 in an endless fight for supremacy. 168 00:09:30,970 --> 00:09:32,830 Neither prevailing. 169 00:09:35,970 --> 00:09:38,250 - What is good? 170 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,700 What is evil? 171 00:09:40,730 --> 00:09:41,940 Who is the hero? 172 00:09:41,980 --> 00:09:43,770 Who is the villain? 173 00:09:43,810 --> 00:09:45,670 What is up or down? 174 00:09:45,700 --> 00:09:46,430 Black or white? 175 00:09:46,460 --> 00:09:49,780 What is right or wrong? 176 00:09:49,810 --> 00:09:51,160 In shadow-play, 177 00:09:51,190 --> 00:09:54,640 no such final conclusion exists. 178 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,360 - I think we have to wait for the music... 179 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,090 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 180 00:11:02,850 --> 00:11:04,020 "Hey, a lot of foreigners. 181 00:11:04,060 --> 00:11:05,850 Lot of... lot of money." 182 00:11:05,890 --> 00:11:07,060 I think we're paying them 183 00:11:07,100 --> 00:11:09,100 to not play music. 184 00:11:09,130 --> 00:11:10,720 Yeah, right, right. 185 00:11:13,380 --> 00:11:15,240 - So you teach here. 186 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,350 Uh, you were educated in the States? 187 00:11:17,380 --> 00:11:20,110 - Yes, yeah. - I got my second full ride 188 00:11:20,140 --> 00:11:22,910 when I was teaching as a Scholar-In-Residence 189 00:11:22,940 --> 00:11:24,530 at the University of California. 190 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:26,740 - And your subject was the Nixon years. 191 00:11:26,770 --> 00:11:28,840 - The... during that period. - Yeah, yeah. 192 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,530 After World War II. 193 00:11:30,570 --> 00:11:32,880 - You are also a... - A man of the cloth. 194 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:34,190 A man of faith. 195 00:11:34,230 --> 00:11:36,750 - Uh, so the right man to talk to. 196 00:11:36,780 --> 00:11:39,060 We've been largely advised that... 197 00:11:40,790 --> 00:11:42,230 We will make people uncomfortable 198 00:11:42,270 --> 00:11:44,410 if we even discuss the year 1965. 199 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,140 The... the year 200 00:11:46,170 --> 00:11:48,070 - of living dangerously. - The year 201 00:11:48,100 --> 00:11:49,790 - of living dangerously. - Yeah. 202 00:11:49,830 --> 00:11:52,210 What happened was, basically the Communists were accused 203 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,830 of launching a coup against the government, 204 00:11:54,870 --> 00:11:56,770 and because of that there was kind of 205 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,150 a justification for killing people 206 00:11:59,180 --> 00:12:01,080 who were suspected of being Communists. 207 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:02,570 - And who were they? 208 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,290 - They're just villagers or people who... 209 00:12:06,330 --> 00:12:08,570 in a very bad way associated with 210 00:12:08,610 --> 00:12:11,160 or connected with the Indonesian Communist Party. 211 00:12:11,190 --> 00:12:12,510 - Right. 212 00:12:15,820 --> 00:12:18,060 - Indonesia boasts one of the world's 213 00:12:18,100 --> 00:12:19,820 most bizarre leaders. 214 00:12:19,860 --> 00:12:22,450 Then, three weeks ago, the Communists staged a coup. 215 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,930 But it misfired, and the army struck back. 216 00:12:25,970 --> 00:12:27,830 Michael Charlton reports. 217 00:12:27,870 --> 00:12:30,110 - Indonesia's revolution is still fiercely on the boil 218 00:12:30,140 --> 00:12:32,980 as the systematic round-up of Communists goes on. 219 00:12:33,010 --> 00:12:35,460 - With its leaders either captured or killed, 220 00:12:35,490 --> 00:12:36,676 the Communist force collapsed. 221 00:12:36,700 --> 00:12:38,950 - The army led a hunt for party officials, 222 00:12:38,980 --> 00:12:40,600 slaughtering the largest Communist party 223 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,990 - outside the Iron Curtain. - General Suharto 224 00:12:43,020 --> 00:12:45,130 has taken advantage of the passion stirred 225 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,610 to try and swing public opinion hard against 226 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,270 their rivals. 227 00:12:49,300 --> 00:12:52,440 The army now control all news and information. 228 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,450 - The actual number who were killed were between 229 00:13:01,490 --> 00:13:04,210 half-a-million to one million. 230 00:13:04,250 --> 00:13:06,320 And many more were imprisoned, 231 00:13:06,350 --> 00:13:09,320 tortured, and things like that. 232 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,190 - Is it in the interests of, uh... 233 00:13:12,220 --> 00:13:16,950 Uh, Indonesians to be fully aware 235 00:13:16,980 --> 00:13:18,880 of what happened in '65? 236 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,850 Has Indonesia as a country reconciled itself 237 00:13:21,890 --> 00:13:23,340 to those events? 238 00:13:23,370 --> 00:13:26,170 - Is there eagerness to know? 239 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:27,890 Yes, there is. 240 00:13:27,930 --> 00:13:30,000 There are people who... Many people. 241 00:13:30,030 --> 00:13:33,170 At the same time, there was also fear. 242 00:13:33,210 --> 00:13:36,490 So many people, they kept silent to... 243 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,870 avoid their family members being implicated. 244 00:13:39,900 --> 00:13:41,940 So yes, there is a lot of eagerness, 245 00:13:41,980 --> 00:13:44,080 but at the same time there a lot of fear. 246 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:45,430 - Yeah. 247 00:13:45,460 --> 00:13:48,600 - And so the real political situation is... 248 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,020 - More complicated. - Yeah, more complicated. 249 00:14:09,930 --> 00:14:13,040 - What about everyday life thrills you here? 250 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:14,970 You wake up in the morning and walk outside... 251 00:14:15,010 --> 00:14:18,080 - Well, you cannot meet nicer people, Tony. 252 00:14:18,110 --> 00:14:20,290 I mean everyone treats everyone else 253 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,260 with respect and kindness. 254 00:14:22,290 --> 00:14:25,090 It's engrained in the culture here. 255 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,120 You just still see 256 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,416 certain things here that are just gone in other countries. 257 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,060 You know, you still have got people 258 00:14:31,090 --> 00:14:32,990 grilling sauté on the street... 259 00:14:34,270 --> 00:14:36,060 You've got people wheeling around 260 00:14:36,100 --> 00:14:39,620 sort of wooden carts that have gone elsewhere. 261 00:14:39,650 --> 00:14:41,930 At the same time, you've got 16 million people 262 00:14:41,970 --> 00:14:44,730 who have smart phones all on social media, 263 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:46,070 and, you know, that's opening up 264 00:14:46,110 --> 00:14:47,970 massive opportunities. 265 00:14:48,010 --> 00:14:51,080 To be a journalist here now is just, uh, privilege. 266 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,510 - Yeah, is this... - So is this the, uh, 267 00:15:05,540 --> 00:15:07,990 unofficial, uh, foreign correspondents club? 268 00:15:08,030 --> 00:15:09,440 - It is. - Very much so. 269 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:10,766 - Yes indeed, yeah. - How long you been 270 00:15:10,790 --> 00:15:13,240 - living here? - Most of 18 years. 271 00:15:13,270 --> 00:15:16,030 - How long you been living... - Uh, I've had two stints. 272 00:15:16,070 --> 00:15:17,210 I'm about six years. 273 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,086 - Yeah, so I count back. - Same, I've done two stints. 274 00:15:19,110 --> 00:15:21,070 - So how are things going? 275 00:15:21,110 --> 00:15:23,590 I mean, this... this is a Democracy now, yes? 276 00:15:23,630 --> 00:15:25,320 - Oh, it is. - I've always called it 277 00:15:25,350 --> 00:15:27,630 a microcosm of... of all the good and bad 278 00:15:27,670 --> 00:15:31,150 in the world, 'cause Indonesia has everything. 279 00:15:31,190 --> 00:15:33,640 Democracy, it has pollution; 280 00:15:33,670 --> 00:15:36,260 it has environmental degradation; 281 00:15:36,300 --> 00:15:37,640 it's got human rights abuses. 282 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,300 There's a lot of problems here, 283 00:15:39,330 --> 00:15:41,036 but one of the great things going on is these elections 284 00:15:41,060 --> 00:15:43,270 are free and fair, and everybody knows it. 285 00:15:43,300 --> 00:15:45,310 - A popular president, 286 00:15:45,340 --> 00:15:47,480 relative peace in the land. 287 00:15:47,510 --> 00:15:50,000 - Free speech? - Oh, absolutely. 288 00:15:50,030 --> 00:15:53,000 - But there... there are two subjects that 289 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,210 there is a real reluctance to talk about or reconcile, 290 00:15:56,250 --> 00:15:58,320 and it's kind of weird. 291 00:15:58,350 --> 00:16:02,050 The years 1965 and 1975... 293 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,360 There isn't much appetite to look at that. 294 00:16:04,390 --> 00:16:06,500 - Why? - For reputational reasons... 295 00:16:06,530 --> 00:16:08,160 - Yeah. - Uh, as much as anything, 296 00:16:08,190 --> 00:16:10,020 but also potentially legal reasons as well, 297 00:16:10,050 --> 00:16:12,820 so the... the two main perpetrators of the... 298 00:16:12,850 --> 00:16:15,300 Of the massacre were the military 299 00:16:15,340 --> 00:16:17,480 and the mass Islamic groups. 300 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,760 Um, the groups who are moderate these days 301 00:16:21,790 --> 00:16:24,690 but at that time and with that hysteria 302 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,170 they were involved in this 303 00:16:27,210 --> 00:16:29,520 kind of brutal pogrom. 304 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:30,830 This was sort of hand-to-hand, 305 00:16:30,870 --> 00:16:33,220 slitting throats, garroting people, 306 00:16:33,250 --> 00:16:35,180 burying them in mass graves... 307 00:16:35,220 --> 00:16:37,530 Very nasty, nasty stuff. 308 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:39,150 And then the second reason is, 309 00:16:39,190 --> 00:16:42,740 there was an intensive campaign of propaganda. 310 00:16:42,780 --> 00:16:45,090 Which portrayed this, uh, 311 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,090 massacre as a... As a honorable attempt 312 00:16:47,130 --> 00:16:50,400 by Suhato to put down a Communist coup. 313 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,240 - Is it even useful for Indonesians 314 00:16:53,270 --> 00:16:56,200 to look at that extraordinarily... 315 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,070 painful... 316 00:16:58,100 --> 00:17:00,450 - awful period of time? - We journalists write... 317 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,380 You know, you gotta believe 318 00:17:02,420 --> 00:17:05,760 allowing these stories to be told is... 319 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,730 You know, is gonna be to the good. 320 00:17:08,770 --> 00:17:10,220 - You know, I don't know. 321 00:17:10,250 --> 00:17:12,120 I want to believe that, I really do. 322 00:17:12,150 --> 00:17:15,120 I do believe that, but certainly 323 00:17:15,150 --> 00:17:17,090 the West doesn't much want to talk about it. 324 00:17:17,120 --> 00:17:18,540 No. 325 00:17:18,570 --> 00:17:20,230 - We were... - Culpable. 326 00:17:20,260 --> 00:17:23,580 But yes, we were... We were in deep. 328 00:17:23,610 --> 00:17:25,470 But what is it... Henry Kissinger walks 329 00:17:25,510 --> 00:17:27,270 into a bar... It sounds like a joke. 330 00:17:28,860 --> 00:17:31,480 - Henry Kissinger and a penguin walk into a bar. 331 00:17:31,510 --> 00:17:33,620 Uh, I'm not asking what you'd do, 332 00:17:33,650 --> 00:17:35,100 but what would... 333 00:17:35,140 --> 00:17:37,620 Would it displease you if I walked over 334 00:17:37,660 --> 00:17:39,420 and punched Henry Kissinger in the face? 335 00:17:39,450 --> 00:17:40,630 Would you find that 336 00:17:40,660 --> 00:17:42,250 - entertaining? - I... I would. 337 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,420 - Would you have a frisson of pleasure, even? 338 00:17:44,460 --> 00:17:45,770 Would you feel injustice is... 339 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:47,120 Is in some small way served? 340 00:17:47,150 --> 00:17:50,500 - You hate Henry. - I... I hate him, yeah. 341 00:17:50,530 --> 00:17:52,780 Because in my travels, I stumble across 342 00:17:52,810 --> 00:17:54,330 his good works everywhere I go. 343 00:17:54,370 --> 00:17:55,810 - Right. 344 00:17:55,850 --> 00:17:56,920 Let's do this. 345 00:17:56,950 --> 00:17:58,920 - I'll rabbit-punch. 346 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,510 - No, kidney punch. - Cheers. 347 00:18:01,540 --> 00:18:03,340 - Cheers, guys. 348 00:18:09,930 --> 00:18:12,690 - Java is Indonesia's seat of power, 349 00:18:12,730 --> 00:18:15,180 but this home to millions is just one 350 00:18:15,210 --> 00:18:19,290 of seemingly countless islands across the archipelago. 351 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,640 Bali endures as an island of legends. 352 00:18:23,670 --> 00:18:26,640 Of magic and spirits. 353 00:18:26,670 --> 00:18:28,640 Where ancient Animist traditions 354 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,610 bled with Hindu and Buddhist beliefs. 355 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,300 Ceremonies and offerings are an attempt 356 00:18:36,340 --> 00:18:39,200 to bring harmony between the upper world of the gods 357 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,520 and the lower world of the demons... 358 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,170 With man balanced in between. 359 00:18:58,360 --> 00:19:00,740 - Who is the hero? 360 00:19:00,780 --> 00:19:03,260 Who is the villain? 361 00:19:03,300 --> 00:19:06,510 Who decides what is right or wrong? 362 00:19:08,230 --> 00:19:10,680 Bali is as much an island of the gods 363 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,310 as it is the demons. 364 00:19:52,450 --> 00:19:54,690 - Feel the music 365 00:19:55,930 --> 00:19:58,280 Can you feel the mu... 366 00:20:08,780 --> 00:20:10,740 I hate Daft Punk. 367 00:20:21,340 --> 00:20:22,766 Do you have a shot of the, uh, people 368 00:20:22,790 --> 00:20:25,760 getting, uh, massages by the pool while eating? 369 00:20:27,790 --> 00:20:30,250 This is an Emmy-winning shot, dude. 370 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,460 It's happening right over there. 371 00:20:39,530 --> 00:20:44,810 - Yo - So this, too, is Bali, I guess. 373 00:20:44,850 --> 00:20:47,090 Or it is now. 374 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:49,400 Thank you, Jimmy Buffet, for taking a big dump 375 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,020 on the world. 376 00:20:51,060 --> 00:20:54,440 Another wagyu slider, my good man. 378 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,860 - Yes, thank you. 379 00:20:58,340 --> 00:21:01,660 By weight, how much human waste 380 00:21:01,690 --> 00:21:04,520 is generated by your average... 381 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,590 person on vacation? 382 00:21:07,630 --> 00:21:09,110 Look around you. 383 00:21:09,150 --> 00:21:11,420 Do the math. 384 00:21:13,810 --> 00:21:15,950 I want a water sample. 385 00:21:17,500 --> 00:21:21,680 I'm telling you, the fecal coliform count 387 00:21:21,710 --> 00:21:23,780 has got to be interesting. 388 00:21:26,370 --> 00:21:28,680 I'm sure there's a metaphor here. 389 00:21:34,860 --> 00:21:37,520 - Oh! 390 00:21:37,550 --> 00:21:38,830 - Am I bitter? 391 00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:40,420 Am I just old? 392 00:21:40,450 --> 00:21:43,420 Do I just have, like, a predisposition, 393 00:21:43,460 --> 00:21:46,670 an instinctive hatred of young people? 394 00:21:46,700 --> 00:21:48,880 Perhaps. 395 00:21:48,910 --> 00:21:51,500 Enjoy the moment. 396 00:21:51,530 --> 00:21:54,920 The words of Baba Ram Dass, "Be here now." 398 00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:56,500 But I am here now. 399 00:22:00,750 --> 00:22:03,370 I... I'm not actually having sliders. 400 00:22:04,790 --> 00:22:07,170 I mean, you eat those [...] things. 401 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,930 - People who've seen "Eat Pray Love"... 402 00:22:44,970 --> 00:22:47,590 who were inspired to come to Bali... 403 00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:51,210 And do yoga... 404 00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:55,600 They have a romantic notion. 405 00:22:58,980 --> 00:23:03,430 They want to improve their lives in a... 407 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,750 Physical and spiritual way. 408 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,100 They would like to have and experience... 409 00:23:13,130 --> 00:23:15,820 that they can remember. 410 00:23:17,650 --> 00:23:19,790 You mention Bali and people think "paradise." 411 00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:22,180 Of course. 412 00:23:58,730 --> 00:24:00,280 - Oh, wow. - Thank you. 413 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:01,280 Oh, here they come. 414 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,530 - The babi guling. - Oh, yeah. 415 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:04,560 I remember this dish. 416 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,670 I love it, of course. 417 00:24:06,700 --> 00:24:09,290 - Maybe we can just talk really quickly about the food? 418 00:24:09,330 --> 00:24:11,290 No, I... I'll get it in a VO, 419 00:24:11,330 --> 00:24:13,230 'cause I've had it before. 420 00:24:13,260 --> 00:24:14,586 We don't need to talk about this food 421 00:24:14,610 --> 00:24:15,826 'cause I know it very, very well. 422 00:24:15,850 --> 00:24:17,640 I will speak incredibly knowledgably of it 423 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,200 in voice-over. Trust me. 424 00:24:19,230 --> 00:24:20,610 - You've been here before, right? 425 00:24:20,650 --> 00:24:22,580 - I have been here I think 11 years ago, 426 00:24:22,620 --> 00:24:24,720 and it was a very different-looking place 427 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,520 - even then, 11 years ago. - 11 years is too long. 428 00:24:27,550 --> 00:24:30,240 Yes. 429 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,040 - How did you get into the yoga business? 430 00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:34,900 Did you anticipate it was... It would become so big, 431 00:24:34,940 --> 00:24:37,150 - or did it start small? - Not really, honestly. 432 00:24:37,180 --> 00:24:39,870 It was when the "Eat Pray and Love" was shooting 433 00:24:39,910 --> 00:24:41,700 in the island. 434 00:24:45,740 --> 00:24:48,540 - So tell me how many customers you do in a day. 435 00:24:48,570 --> 00:24:50,750 - 300 to 400 people. 436 00:24:50,780 --> 00:24:52,850 - That's a big increase. - It's... it's really huge. 437 00:24:52,890 --> 00:24:55,540 'Cause you see the traffic, how crazy it is. 438 00:24:55,580 --> 00:24:57,620 It is crazy. 439 00:24:57,650 --> 00:24:58,820 Dealing with the traffic. 440 00:24:58,860 --> 00:25:01,100 - I mean, it's worse than Manhattan. 441 00:25:03,860 --> 00:25:06,040 - Uh, right now that... - We have two big problem 442 00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:07,040 right now. 443 00:25:07,070 --> 00:25:10,870 First is waste, second is traffic. 445 00:25:12,940 --> 00:25:14,220 Is the tourism bad? 446 00:25:14,250 --> 00:25:15,290 Yes, it have its bad side. 447 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,290 Is the tourism good? Yes, of course. 448 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,290 Right? 449 00:25:19,330 --> 00:25:20,740 What is Bali? 450 00:25:20,780 --> 00:25:22,260 What is Bali and its people? 451 00:25:22,300 --> 00:25:23,570 What is Bali and its culture? 452 00:25:23,610 --> 00:25:25,850 What part of this could be supported 453 00:25:25,890 --> 00:25:27,710 by the people who come to Bali? 454 00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:30,300 What kind of people do we want to come to Bali? 455 00:25:35,620 --> 00:25:36,806 - I think you've kind of put your finger 456 00:25:36,830 --> 00:25:39,900 on something that a lot of people have not. 457 00:25:39,930 --> 00:25:42,250 Because you don't want to just do yoga... 458 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,590 You wanna do yoga in reasonable distance 459 00:25:45,630 --> 00:25:47,150 of this. 460 00:25:48,670 --> 00:25:50,630 Of these temples. 461 00:25:52,430 --> 00:25:53,980 If you come to Bali and it looks 462 00:25:54,020 --> 00:25:56,260 exactly like Cancún 463 00:25:56,290 --> 00:25:58,640 and Miami, why the [...] 464 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,060 get on a plane all the way to Bali? 465 00:26:28,810 --> 00:26:31,260 - This one the three most piratical places 466 00:26:31,300 --> 00:26:33,120 on the planet. 467 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,920 It's pretty safe around here, now. 468 00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:36,440 It wasn't to be in the early days 469 00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:39,440 when we were filming here. 470 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,650 You first arrived in Indonesia in '65, right? 471 00:26:42,690 --> 00:26:44,690 - That's right, but it was pretty... 472 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:45,790 Pretty hairy, then. 473 00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:48,380 - Given that you arrived at absolutely 474 00:26:48,420 --> 00:26:50,830 - the worst possible time... - Yep. 475 00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:54,040 - What was it about the place that, uh, compelled you 476 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,870 - to come back? - Uh, unexplored regions, 477 00:26:55,910 --> 00:26:58,940 tropical animals, ancient civilizations, 478 00:26:58,980 --> 00:27:01,980 long memory amongst the people, mysticism. 479 00:27:02,020 --> 00:27:05,850 Everything a school-boy would obviously love. 480 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,720 - Your, uh, training... 481 00:27:16,750 --> 00:27:19,410 Correct me if I'm wrong... Psycho-anthropology? 482 00:27:19,450 --> 00:27:22,860 - Yes. - Now, are there... 483 00:27:22,900 --> 00:27:24,900 through-lines, or is there 484 00:27:24,940 --> 00:27:28,180 any connectivity between belief systems? 485 00:27:28,210 --> 00:27:30,840 - They're different, but they're all united 486 00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:32,740 by a common theme... That they believe 487 00:27:32,770 --> 00:27:34,740 in the reality of the invisible world. 488 00:27:34,770 --> 00:27:36,880 They believe it's stronger than what we think 489 00:27:36,910 --> 00:27:38,220 is the reality. 490 00:27:38,260 --> 00:27:40,066 You know, what we can touch and measure and weigh. 491 00:27:40,090 --> 00:27:42,880 They would all share the belief that this is illusion. 492 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,230 That this is only the surface 493 00:27:44,260 --> 00:27:46,850 of another, greater reality beneath it. 494 00:27:46,890 --> 00:27:49,750 In that, they're fairly constant. 495 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,450 This is Nusa Penida. 496 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,380 This was a penal colony for Bali. 497 00:28:00,420 --> 00:28:02,280 - They put their criminals here. - Right. 498 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,420 - And they also believe that it is the home 499 00:28:05,460 --> 00:28:07,220 of the Leyaks... the witches, 500 00:28:07,250 --> 00:28:09,460 the black magicians. 501 00:28:17,850 --> 00:28:20,540 - This island has not been invaded, uh, like Bali. 502 00:28:20,580 --> 00:28:22,820 - No, it hasn't. 503 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,890 - Hey, there's a bachelor party going on there. 504 00:28:28,860 --> 00:28:30,760 - Oh, no. 505 00:28:30,790 --> 00:28:32,310 Just messing with you, man. 506 00:28:32,350 --> 00:28:34,250 Wow, beautiful. 507 00:29:17,390 --> 00:29:19,430 - Wow. - That's, uh... 508 00:29:19,460 --> 00:29:21,470 - That's some big lobsters. - These have to be 509 00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:24,470 the biggest local lobsters I've ever seen. 510 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,950 - Wow. 511 00:29:31,300 --> 00:29:34,100 In the West, we tend to think of things 512 00:29:34,130 --> 00:29:35,820 in a binary way. 513 00:29:35,860 --> 00:29:40,380 There's good and evil, life, death. 515 00:29:40,420 --> 00:29:43,380 You've seen every variety of human behavior... 516 00:29:43,420 --> 00:29:45,490 uh, in this part of the world. 517 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,910 Always a notion of light and dark, 518 00:29:48,940 --> 00:29:53,120 good and evil... just not absolute ones? 520 00:29:53,150 --> 00:29:55,120 - Uh, you know, we call Bali 521 00:29:55,150 --> 00:29:56,570 "the island of the gods." 522 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,516 That's a sort of slogan for the tourism industry, 523 00:29:58,540 --> 00:30:00,400 but it's equally an island of the demons, 524 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,206 I mean, I... I've always found useful, in anthropology, 525 00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:05,030 this concept of the left and right cranial hemispheres. 526 00:30:05,060 --> 00:30:06,890 - Right. - The left is the thing 527 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,240 that we are over-dominant in in the West, 528 00:30:09,270 --> 00:30:12,480 handles the rational, practical, consecutive thought. 529 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,350 Here, it's the opposite imbalance. 530 00:30:14,380 --> 00:30:15,590 It's the other way round. 531 00:30:15,620 --> 00:30:18,520 The right is the intuitive, holistic, 532 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,560 access to everything we've ever been, 533 00:30:20,590 --> 00:30:21,986 - access to our genetic... - That's our right brain. 534 00:30:22,010 --> 00:30:23,490 - Memory. - Exactly. 535 00:30:23,530 --> 00:30:24,980 - So they know stuff we don't know? 536 00:30:25,010 --> 00:30:27,050 - They definitely know stuff we don't know. 537 00:30:34,090 --> 00:30:36,950 - Given all the time you've spent in Indonesia, 538 00:30:36,990 --> 00:30:38,960 do you experience life differently, 539 00:30:38,990 --> 00:30:40,100 or in any way similarly 540 00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:43,000 to the people here look at it? 541 00:30:43,030 --> 00:30:46,520 - No, I don't think I do see it the way people here see it. 542 00:30:46,550 --> 00:30:48,900 I like to think that I can see what it is 543 00:30:48,930 --> 00:30:50,550 that they're seeing, as it were 544 00:30:50,590 --> 00:30:52,900 but I've got a broader perspective. 545 00:30:52,940 --> 00:30:54,080 Course, I'm a Westerner, 546 00:30:54,110 --> 00:30:56,110 and a foreigner in a strange land. 547 00:30:56,150 --> 00:30:58,360 I'll never be considered an Indonesian. 548 00:30:58,390 --> 00:31:02,290 I... I'm enriched by being here, 549 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,400 because there's a greater variety 550 00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:09,230 of human experience going on here. 551 00:31:09,260 --> 00:31:11,710 - Yeah, tell me about the funerals, 552 00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:13,990 'cause I... We were attending one. 553 00:31:14,030 --> 00:31:15,610 - Y-y-you are? - You will be? 554 00:31:15,650 --> 00:31:17,100 - Yes. 555 00:31:17,130 --> 00:31:17,790 - Well, a Balinese funeral 556 00:31:17,820 --> 00:31:19,070 is a very sobering phenomenon, 557 00:31:19,100 --> 00:31:20,246 especially for us Westerners, 558 00:31:20,270 --> 00:31:22,070 who distance ourselves from death. 559 00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:23,210 - Mm-hmm. 560 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,620 - They spend quite a long time 561 00:31:24,660 --> 00:31:26,110 doing these beautiful offerings, 562 00:31:26,140 --> 00:31:28,010 all of it to up in flames. 563 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,140 - Ah. 564 00:31:29,180 --> 00:31:30,940 - So it's ephemeral art, 565 00:31:30,970 --> 00:31:33,390 and the idea is that we, too, are ephemeral, 566 00:31:33,420 --> 00:31:37,050 and, uh, this is why it's quite an extraordinary thing 567 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,980 that you actually light the match 568 00:31:39,020 --> 00:31:41,950 that consumes your loved one, 569 00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:43,640 but it's in your face... 570 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,020 - Mm-hmm. - That we are not our bodies, 571 00:31:47,060 --> 00:31:49,610 because they really believe in an afterlife. 572 00:31:49,650 --> 00:31:52,510 They really believe that you will be coming back, 573 00:31:52,550 --> 00:31:55,480 and you will be joining your ancestors in the meantime. 574 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,280 It may be wrong, but it's wonderful 575 00:31:57,310 --> 00:31:58,970 to be able to believe that, 576 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,180 and to derive all the warmth 577 00:32:01,210 --> 00:32:03,040 and strength and benefit of it. 578 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,180 Is this all human poetry, 579 00:32:05,220 --> 00:32:07,530 or is there something in it? 580 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,320 - Yeah, I wonder. - I mean, I thought about, 581 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,190 you know, as one does... 582 00:32:11,220 --> 00:32:13,020 - Yeah. - You know, how I want to go. 583 00:32:13,050 --> 00:32:14,120 How do you want to go? 584 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,360 - I'd be burned. 585 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,160 - I can handle cremation. - You want a party? 586 00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:19,190 - I mean... - Oh, I'd rather a party, yes. 587 00:32:19,230 --> 00:32:21,160 - You would? - How about you? 588 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,200 You want them all to cry, don't you? 589 00:32:23,230 --> 00:32:24,370 No, no. 590 00:32:24,410 --> 00:32:26,030 Leave me in the jungle. 591 00:32:26,060 --> 00:32:28,100 - Okay. - I don't want a party. 592 00:32:28,130 --> 00:32:30,140 - Um... - Okay. 593 00:32:30,170 --> 00:32:31,690 - "Reported dead." 594 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,140 - Okay. 595 00:32:33,170 --> 00:32:34,396 - You know, what actually happens 596 00:32:34,420 --> 00:32:36,730 to my physical remains 597 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,490 - is of zero interest to me... - Doesn't matter. 598 00:32:39,530 --> 00:32:42,180 - Unless it can provide entertainment value. 599 00:32:42,220 --> 00:32:43,740 Throw me into a wood chipper 600 00:32:43,770 --> 00:32:46,050 and spray me into Harrods, you know, 601 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,500 at, uh, middle of the rush hour. 602 00:32:48,530 --> 00:32:50,570 That would be pretty epic. 603 00:32:50,610 --> 00:32:53,230 I wouldn't mind being remembered in that way. 604 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,600 - Wayang is not necessarily 606 00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:19,050 entertainment for the people. 607 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,700 Most of the time, it's performed 608 00:33:20,740 --> 00:33:22,220 for the unseen. 609 00:33:29,130 --> 00:33:30,710 That's why it's a shadow play. 610 00:33:30,750 --> 00:33:32,750 It's also for the shadow world. 611 00:33:36,270 --> 00:33:37,596 Balinese have a lot of magical thinking. 612 00:33:37,620 --> 00:33:40,690 Often, we believe that 613 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,590 what happens in the real world is a consequence 614 00:33:44,620 --> 00:33:46,350 of what is happening in the shadow world. 615 00:33:46,390 --> 00:33:48,770 That's why there's so much offerings 616 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,110 and appeasements. 617 00:33:51,150 --> 00:33:54,460 Every day, we make offerings: 618 00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:56,600 love notes, thank-you notes, 619 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:57,856 left around to the spirits, saying, 620 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,120 "Thank you for keeping everything in balance." 621 00:34:13,450 --> 00:34:16,590 So today is the final rites of the human. 622 00:34:16,620 --> 00:34:19,490 Once the ashes are scattered to the sea, 623 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,900 then begin the rites of the spirit. 624 00:34:21,940 --> 00:34:24,840 - So who will attend the funeral today? 625 00:34:24,870 --> 00:34:26,460 - The family, of course, 626 00:34:26,490 --> 00:34:28,150 but cremations in Bali 627 00:34:28,190 --> 00:34:29,810 are very much a communal affair, 628 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,120 so the village runs it. 629 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,740 - It's not just the family. - Right. 630 00:34:38,850 --> 00:34:40,200 People's attitudes 631 00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:42,480 towards the passing of a life, 632 00:34:42,510 --> 00:34:46,310 towards death, funerals, wakes, 634 00:34:46,340 --> 00:34:47,830 different here than in the West. 635 00:34:47,860 --> 00:34:51,210 - Very much so. - No weeping 636 00:34:51,240 --> 00:34:52,806 - and rending of garments. - There's... there is 637 00:34:52,830 --> 00:34:54,320 - a lot of... - There is? 638 00:34:54,350 --> 00:34:56,140 - It's... 639 00:34:56,180 --> 00:34:58,700 At the bathing ceremony of the body, 640 00:34:58,730 --> 00:35:01,530 that is when the mournful event 641 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,150 becomes a joyous occasion. 642 00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:05,360 - Right, but the funeral itself... 643 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:06,880 - Is a joyous occasion, 644 00:35:06,910 --> 00:35:08,710 especially the cremation. It's a big send-off. 645 00:35:08,740 --> 00:35:10,300 It's a big party to send a spirit 646 00:35:10,330 --> 00:35:11,470 to the afterlife. 647 00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:13,200 - We are not talking about the end. 648 00:35:13,230 --> 00:35:14,440 - No. 649 00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:15,650 Life is cyclical. 650 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,230 It's very much a circle. 651 00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:18,726 - So this is something to be happy about. 652 00:35:18,750 --> 00:35:23,340 - Yes, definitely. 653 00:35:47,890 --> 00:35:50,200 The priest is throwing out rice, 654 00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:52,200 - along with money. - Oh, we're... 655 00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:54,650 - And essentially, this action 656 00:35:54,690 --> 00:35:57,000 is to confuse and misdirect 657 00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:59,380 the spirits that might try to... 658 00:35:59,410 --> 00:36:01,590 Try to follow the... 659 00:36:16,430 --> 00:36:18,300 - Love the sound. - It's beautiful. 660 00:36:18,330 --> 00:36:19,880 - So... - The gamelan. 661 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,920 - It reverberates throughout your body, 662 00:36:21,950 --> 00:36:24,440 and the idea is that that noise 663 00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:26,230 shatters the illusion 664 00:36:26,270 --> 00:36:28,790 between the seen and the unseen worlds. 665 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,010 - The state of mind is very important 666 00:37:56,050 --> 00:37:58,330 for your next journey. 667 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,020 This is where you frame that big send-off 668 00:38:03,060 --> 00:38:06,330 to the next life, and of course, 670 00:38:06,370 --> 00:38:08,470 that journey is the... The mystery, 671 00:38:08,510 --> 00:38:09,990 the unknown, because eventually, 672 00:38:10,030 --> 00:38:13,510 the soul will be reincarnated back here. 674 00:38:42,850 --> 00:38:45,750 - The shadow play story of Bhima Swarga 675 00:38:45,790 --> 00:38:49,100 is often told as part of funerary rites 676 00:38:49,140 --> 00:38:50,520 for many reasons. 677 00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:55,940 Heaven and hell are allegories, not truths. 679 00:38:55,970 --> 00:38:57,520 Heaven and hell exist 680 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,460 right here, on the mortal plane. 681 00:39:02,980 --> 00:39:05,460 No tears should be shed 682 00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:07,500 during the cremation ceremony. 683 00:39:07,530 --> 00:39:11,470 Tears only hold back the soul of the departed. 684 00:39:11,500 --> 00:39:14,850 At sundown, ashes will be released, 685 00:39:14,890 --> 00:39:18,480 returned to the purity of the sea. 686 00:39:18,510 --> 00:39:22,130 Time is circular, as is life. 687 00:39:22,170 --> 00:39:24,410 Death is but the beginning 688 00:39:24,450 --> 00:39:26,860 of another journey. 689 00:41:23,980 --> 00:41:28,670 - All stories should end on a beach. 690 00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:31,570 All the good ones do, anyway. 691 00:41:31,610 --> 00:41:35,340 Why should this one be any different?